since humankind began to have conscious thought, this question has been asked… and unanswered. why are we here? tell me what you think.
Legend:
mikhailberis: dean
vjsummer: cio
brainwave1013: ang inyong lingkod
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mikhailberis: may question ako…
mikhailberis: sana hindi ninyo isipin na korny ‘tong question ko…
mikhailberis: you guys still there?
brainwave1013: yezzz, ano yun?
brainwave1013: sori ha, was working
mikhailberis: do you know why the heck we’re alive?
brainwave1013: masyado kong cynical dean e, baka di mo magustuhan sagot ko…
mikhailberis: sige lang… i just want to know what you guys think…
brainwave1013: we (im assuming you’re talking about people) are simply a complex/advanced manifestation of the very basic process of DNA replication, survival and reproduction. the whole shebang is simply fueled by the molecule’s "desire" to propagate itself…. the survival instinct, cellular specialization/organs and organ systems, communities, friendsships, love…. these are simply ofshoots of the fact that DNA is more likely to survive when cells act as groups.
brainwave1013: we are simply chemicals… molecules
brainwave1013: …. searching for meaning, searching for a higher power because it’s too painful to admit that might just be a lucky accident
brainwave1013: my other theory is that there is a higher being who is giving rise to all this
mikhailberis: and you feel at ease with "we are simply chemicals… molecules" ?
vjsummer: nope
brainwave1013: not because creating us was Its calling, but because ganun kalaki yung kakayanan nya, na nakapgbuo sya ng ganito.
brainwave1013: kala natin sobrang complex na natin pero sa Kanya wala lang to
mikhailberis: ok… now do you know why you’re here, now?
brainwave1013: i’m an offshoot of some process that i can’t even pretend to understand, ke yung process na yun e molecular, o dahil sa higher being
mikhailberis: kasi I’m tired of thinking that it’s all just for nothing… I feel empty. I feel like whatever I do, there’s something missing inside of me.
vjsummer: things happen for a reason…i guess we were "made" for a reason…
mikhailberis: and tipong "I should be doing something…"
brainwave1013: ano nga kayang reason kung bakit tayo ginawa noh? to destroy the planet and dominate it, toppling down all the other organisms and creations that happen to be in our path,. all the while thinking that it’s our right because we are here for a reason?
brainwave1013: spreading like a virus all over the planet kasi feeling natin priveleged tayo, tayo yung highest creations?
vjsummer: pra s kn its like we are here to live, not because we wanted to too from the start but because it was already an obligation that we should live…we are a part of this so-called cycle & process
brainwave1013: kaya nga… offshoot tayo nung chemical or cosmic process. did it have to happen? was it destined? why do we assume that it had to happen? malay ba natin kung aksidente nga lang lahat ng ito?
vjsummer: well, minsan talaga may mga bagay na hindi natin maiintindihan kahit anung pilit na gawin natin…wala na tayong magagawa kundi tanggapin kung ano mang eksplenasyon na meron at makukuha natin na paniniwalaan natin…
mikhailberis: do you think you’re just an accident?
vjsummer: i was…
brainwave1013: yung "search for a reason" na ito, na kinuhang task ng religions…
brainwave1013: malay ba natin kung niloloko lang pala natin mga sarili natin?
brainwave1013: para lang hindi tayo mabaliw sa fact na wala naman talagang dahilan kung bakit tayo nandito?
mikhailberis: pano kung hindi religion yung magbibigay ng explanation?
vjsummer: juz an accident…
brainwave1013: im not just talking about the individual level ha…
brainwave1013: im referring to the reason why people exist
brainwave1013: ano nga kaya yun?
brainwave1013: people in general, as a species
mikhailberis: well for me personally, I’m tired of thinking that it’s all for naught.
mikhailberis: not just people, but everything in general.
mikhailberis: right now I’m reading the purpose driven life.
brainwave1013: maganda ba?
vjsummer: sb nila
mikhailberis: Let’s just say for someone like me…
mikhailberis: I’m being enlightened day by day.
brainwave1013: good for you.
vjsummer: good for you
mikhailberis: And you know what I used to say about this all…
mikhailberis: I just read today the simple line: "You are not an accident."
brainwave1013: question lang, are the book’s lessons derived from Christianity?
vjsummer: yata
mikhailberis: That’s the good thing — it revolves around christian living, and cites scientific studies.
vjsummer: whookay
vjsummer: pero hindi ba clashing?
mikhailberis: nope. for some reason, science helps christianity make sense…
mikhailberis: never looked at it that way.
mikhailberis: Yesterday, I read about: "It’s all about God."
mikhailberis: Now, I just read about "You are not an accident."
brainwave1013: hindi naman talag nagkaclash ang sci at Christianity e. yang clash na yan e nagsimula lang naman nung dark ages, when nobody knew any better.
mikhailberis: That’s why Christian Living does not mean that you have to be affiliated with any particular religion.
brainwave1013: i know that believing in a purpose, in a benevolent higher power, makes things easier… it’s easier to live, easier to sleep at night, easier to coexist with your fellow humans. mas madali kasi you stop thinking that you’re alone and powerless. you believe that there is Someone up there looking out for you. Pero pano nga kung ang lahat nga ng yon ay wala lang kundi crutch, comforter ng sangkatauhan para hindi mabaliw sa lungkot?
vjsummer: y do you need someone to look after you anyway?
brainwave1013: anyway, what i’m thinking is, hindi na mahalaga kung anong "religion" (for lack of a better term) ang pinaniniwalaan natin. the important thing is to believe in Someone
brainwave1013: we look for someone to look after us kasi nakakapagod pag mag-isa ka lang
vjsummer: well if you’ve been living all your life alone so what’s the difference anyway?
mikhailberis: jyas, is believing in a higher power such a bad thing?
vjsummer: you live then you die eventually
brainwave1013: im not saying it’s a bad thing. im just making room for the possibility that there is nothing out there but cosmic dust
mikhailberis: rocio: should it be that bad always?
mikhailberis: jyas, so what if it’s just cosmic dust out there? doesn’t it help that you feel better as you go along "the process" of living, dying, with a sense of purpose?
vjsummer: then what is your purpose? to live & reproduce then die.
mikhailberis: ewan ko lang, pero kasi for me, I’m tired of thinking that there might not be something out there.
vjsummer: ganun lng ka-simple…you battle each day to survive telling yourself, this is your purpose…just keep on living…do things you want…do things for others…then eventually you die.a beginning & an end…
brainwave1013: kaya nga, kaya i acknowledge the value of belief, because it makes things easier for people. i’m not saying you shoudl stop believing in that. i’m just saying that these are the possibilities that i see. kaya nga ayoko sana sabihin sa iba yun as much as possible e.
mikhailberis: don’t you feel empty living that way everyday? I know I am.
brainwave1013: actually i do. it’s just that i’ve gone through the whole religion shebang and found nothing… just people seeking comfort
brainwave1013: they "worship God" kasi masarap ang pakiramdam
vjsummer: even though how empty you feel, how do you think it would be filled if you don’t even understand the whole thing…there would always be questions so there will always be a gap inside of you…if ever you do find the answer & to prevent you from feeling empty again then stop your brain from working….
brainwave1013: they do Bible lessons and sing and dance and feed poor children once a year because it just feels so good to be doing so
mikhailberis: jyas I understand how you see it. I actually see it that way too.
mikhailberis: jyas: is that such a bad thing? I mean, it does feel better that way, and it makes you "happier"… but does it have to be tied to religion branwash, or is it just that way — that it MIGHT be the thing you should be doing becuase you’re happy while you’re doing it?
mikhailberis: but we all just choose to believe what we want to believe when we know what the choices are, right?
brainwave1013: seminars and self-searching, self-pity and mediocrity, always "God loves me, me , ME"
brainwave1013: it’s still about the self, not God.
mikhailberis: maybe that’s what’s wrong…
mikhailberis: or "wrong"…
brainwave1013: and yet andun yung ek-ek about building your life around God.
mikhailberis: maybe you should focus more on your "relationship" with God, than yourself?
vjsummer: …
brainwave1013: pero ano nga ba ang main motivation ng tao kung bakit sya kakabit kay God? para din yun sa sarili nya. God will get along just fine kahit wlang nagbaBible studies jan
mikhailberis: ewan ko rin ha… I’ll try walking this path, since it seems to make more sense for me right now. It seems to feel that emptyness I feel and acknowledge in me.
vjsummer: …
brainwave1013: pasensya na talga at ganito ako ka-cynical. I hope you find meaning in it dean.
mikhailberis: It’s ok Jyas, I was cynical about it all before I turned 22, and felt… Empty.
brainwave1013: i know. i still feel that way.
vjsummer: …
mikhailberis: Parang if someone asked me that day: "Do you know why you’re here now? Are you happy now? Do you feel complete?" I wouldn’t be able to answer them.
brainwave1013: i hope you’re happy now tho.
vjsummer: …
mikhailberis: I felt Him reaching out after 22 years of letting me do what I want — and somehow I feel that I should now "give something back".
brainwave1013: rocio, ok k lng?
brainwave1013: good for you dean.
vjsummer: …
mikhailberis: ika nga "mag-balik loob".
brainwave1013: siguro masyado lang talga ko na-disillusion sa mga nakita ko
mikhailberis: rocio: I think I told you this in person that morning you took my ngarag picture.
vjsummer: i kinda stopped believeing a long tym ago….
vjsummer: yeah..i remember
vjsummer: gud 4 u
mikhailberis: jyas: sana you give it a second look someday. sana lang.
mikhailberis: rocio: sana ikaw rin, would give it a try again.
vjsummer: wish kolng buhay p ko non
brainwave1013: yeah, sure, maybe i will
vjsummer: i don’t even know how i’m surviving or why…i could die anytime for all i care, anyway.
brainwave1013: ganun?
mikhailberis: ganun?
mikhailberis: maybe He’s just waiting for you to return his calls…
vjsummer: …